A conversation with
Malcolm Slavin

The American relational psychoanalyst and one of the leading Relational scholars Malcolm Slavin will discuss with Aner Govrin and Sharon Ziv-Beiman the ideas he has been writing about over the last decade, such as:

• Why it is essential for the patient that the analyst be open to change as part of the analytic process?

• How the therapist’s own ways of making meaning in the face of human mortality shape the experience and meaning of the re-narration process for the patient?

• How therapists need to grapple with the way our patients probe for how we experience their anxiety, pain, and rage around shared human issues of connection and loss?

One of the things that makes Malcolm Slavin's relational thinking unique is his way of framing clinical questions in broader human terms. He tends to think not in terms of failures or breakdowns but rather in terms of universal features of the human condition amidst the larger story of mortality, self, and other.  Thus, the underlying thread running through many of his writings: why meaning-making is crucial to people's existence and how meaningful moments in the therapeutic dyad touch upon these aspects of existence.

"Like any two individuals, therapists and strangers operate through subjective worlds, needs, agendas, ultimately interests, that, to some extent, always diverge,” write Slavin and Kriegman. At times, their interests will inevitably clash…We believe that all analytic traditions overemphasize the extent to which differences in the subjectivities of patient and analyst result from either instinctual clashes, relational failures, or the accidents of environmental  failures. Rather, intersubjective distinctions are often ultimately rooted in genuine conflicts of interest".

(Slavin and Kriegman,1998 , 251).